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  Never Become Enraged with Jehovah (tomorrow's WT Study)....pure vomit

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
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  never become enraged against jehovah.

  (watchtower study 7-13 october).

  paragraph 4.

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  raymond frantz

  @EndofMisteries ,I'm not reproved or d/fed ,they just don't like my answers...
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  Never Become Enraged with Jehovah (tomorrow's WT Study)....pure vomit

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  never become enraged against jehovah.

  (watchtower study 7-13 october).

  paragraph 4.

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  raymond frantz

  I'm blacklisted for some time now but I always say a prayer before I put my hand up and then I hope for the best .I don't usually answer the silly questions ,I go for the ones that carry the mind control propaganda and try to destroy them .If you destroy the right question the whole article comes apart .
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  Never Become Enraged with Jehovah (tomorrow's WT Study)....pure vomit

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  never become enraged against jehovah.

  (watchtower study 7-13 october).

  paragraph 4.

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  raymond frantz

  PARAGRAPH 15

  15 What if we have a negative attitude toward our fellow worshippers? Under such circumstances, our relationship with Jehovah can be affected. (1 John 4:20) When the Israelites questioned Aaron’s appointment and position, Jehovah viewed that action as murmuring against Him. (Num. 17:10) Similarly, if we were to start grumbling and murmuring about those whom Jehovah is using to direct the earthly part of his organization, we could by inference be complaining about Jehovah.—Heb. 13:7, 17.

  Just came back from the meeting .I gave an answer for the above paragraph that made the WT conductor go a bit pale in the face .

  THE ANSWER : Let's not forget that Aaron led the Israelites to idolatry and apostacy .If you were an Israelite and blindly followed his direction Jehovah would have killed you at the end of this test ,if you disobeyed and followed your Bible based consience (10 comandments ) you lived .This example shows that we shouldn't follow blindly men even if they claim to be anointed ,the obedience is conditional and the determining factor should be our Bible based consience .

  What do you think?
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  Never Become Enraged with Jehovah (tomorrow's WT Study)....pure vomit

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  never become enraged against jehovah.

  (watchtower study 7-13 october).

  paragraph 4.

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  raymond frantz

  NEVER BECOME ENRAGED AGAINST JEHOVAH

  

  (Watchtower study 7-13 October)

  PARAGRAPH 4

  4Is it really possible that we could become “enraged against Jehovah”? Surely to do so would be futile. (Isa. 41:11) What would we hope to gain? A poet once said: “Your arm’s too short to box with God.” We may never go so far as to vocalize a complaint against Jehovah. But Proverbs 19:3 says that a man’s foolishness “distorts his way, and so his heart becomes enraged against Jehovah himself.” Yes, a person can become enraged against God in his heart. This attitude could manifest itself in subtle ways. An individual could, as it were, hold a grudge against Jehovah. As a result, that person might withdraw from the congregation or not fully support arrangements for Jehovah’s worship.

  My thought:Jehovah is WT’s puppet, Jehovah=WT POPES

  PARAGRAPH 11

  11 We become too self-centered. The prophet Jonah had a problem with Jehovah’s merciful decision regarding Nineveh. (Jonah 4:1-3) Why? He apparently became too concerned about losing face when his proclamation of destruction did not come true. Jonah allowed concern over his reputation to overshadow any compassion he should have felt for the repentant Ninevites. Could we likewise become so self-centered that we become “enraged against Jehovah” for not bringing the end sooner? If we have been preaching for decades that Jehovah’s day is close, could we start to become impatient with Jehovah when others criticize us for proclaiming what the Bible says?—2 Pet. 3:3, 4, 9.

  My thought: It’s your fault they got it wrong with 1914 ,you are being self centered…

  PARAGRAPH 15

  15 What if we have a negative attitude toward our fellow worshippers? Under such circumstances, our relationship with Jehovah can be affected. (1 John 4:20) When the Israelites questioned Aaron’s appointment and position, Jehovah viewed that action as murmuring against Him. (Num. 17:10) Similarly, if we were to start grumbling and murmuring about those whom Jehovah is using to direct the earthly part of his organization, we could by inference be complaining about Jehovah.—Heb. 13:7, 17.

  My thought : Pure vomit…

  How do you sit through such an article without blowing a gasket I don't know .How could you answer in a way that you tell the TRUTH without getting into trouble? What do you think?
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  Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.

  ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.

  london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.

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  The Real Aftermath of the AGM...Part 2

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for the ones based in britain only the "few" were invited to attend the agm .they received their new grey bible and the rumor was that the new bible will not be available for the rest of the congragations until january .it was confirmed tonight .a letter was read as local announcement that the new bibles will not be available until the end of january for the rest of the congragation .all the in crowd were sat there with their new flashy bible looking smug.also the bible reading was read from the new bible to make it all the more obvious ..... the real aftermath of agm....

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  For the ones based in BRITAIN only the "few" were invited to attend the AGM .They received their new grey Bible and the rumor was that the new Bible will not be available for the rest of the congragations until January .It was confirmed tonight .A letter was read as local announcement that the new Bibles will not be available until the end of January for the rest of the congragation .All the IN CROWD were sat there with their new flashy Bible looking smug.Also the Bible reading was read from the new Bible to make it all the more obvious ....

  The Real Aftermath of AGM...
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  The Real Aftermath of the AGM...

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i didn't go to the agm nor was i invited .i didn't go to the sunday meeting either.i received a text though from a long standing ministerial servant that echoes the sentiment in my congragation at least.he was present at the meeting.no elder was there and all parts ,watchtower and public talk were handled by ministerial servants.he was incensed that he was not invited allthough he's been a servant for many years and always volunteered at the assemblies etc.

  the absense of all these elders was very noticable .most of the congragation was uninformed for the "dog & ponny show" (sorry agm) and the reason i think was that they were embarrased to admit that only they were going to go.but the most upsetting thing for many is that only the ones that went to the agm got the new bible ,the rest will have to wait till january when the first supply arrives at the congragation.

  also many have found out that the instruction is that the new bible has to be used from the congragation straight away at the meetings and field service .imagine the embarrasment to be sitting next to the in crowd with their new flashy bible !.

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  so far ( it is early days) the first Bibles will be distributed next year .Only the ones that attented the AGM will have one immmediately.Anyone here from the UK? Do you have any more uptodate info?
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  The Real Aftermath of the AGM...

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i didn't go to the agm nor was i invited .i didn't go to the sunday meeting either.i received a text though from a long standing ministerial servant that echoes the sentiment in my congragation at least.he was present at the meeting.no elder was there and all parts ,watchtower and public talk were handled by ministerial servants.he was incensed that he was not invited allthough he's been a servant for many years and always volunteered at the assemblies etc.

  the absense of all these elders was very noticable .most of the congragation was uninformed for the "dog & ponny show" (sorry agm) and the reason i think was that they were embarrased to admit that only they were going to go.but the most upsetting thing for many is that only the ones that went to the agm got the new bible ,the rest will have to wait till january when the first supply arrives at the congragation.

  also many have found out that the instruction is that the new bible has to be used from the congragation straight away at the meetings and field service .imagine the embarrasment to be sitting next to the in crowd with their new flashy bible !.

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  I didn't go to the AGM nor was I invited .I didn't go to the Sunday meeting either.i received a text though from a long standing ministerial servant that echoes the sentiment in my congragation at least.He was present at the meeting.No elder was there and all parts ,Watchtower and Public talk were handled by ministerial servants.He was incensed that he was not invited allthough he's been a servant for many years and always volunteered at the assemblies etc. The absense of all these elders was very noticable .Most of the congragation was uninformed for the "Dog & Ponny Show" (sorry AGM) and the reason I think was that they were embarrased to admit that only they were going to go.But the most upsetting thing for many is that ONLY the ones that went to the AGM got the new Bible ,the rest will have to wait till January when the first supply arrives at the congragation. Also many have found out that the instruction is that the new Bible has to be used from the congragation straight away at the meetings and field service .Imagine the embarrasment to be sitting next to the in crowd with their new flashy Bible !

  I think ,what we are witnessing here ladies and gentlemen is the creation of two classes among the rank & file which exposes the GB 'S mind set of "divide & conquer" the INS and the OUTS ,the exemplary and the week .

  What was the aftermath in your congragation? Was there any disatisfaction ? any murmuring? any confusion? Where there any eldrers there ?
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  2014 ANNUAL MEETING 'NEW LIGHT'

  by The Searcher in

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  it-1 p. 523 - "just before israel entered the promised land, in 1473 b.c.e., jehovah made a covenant with natural israel at moab.

  " (de 29:1; 1:3) .

  why deceptively use the word "natural"?

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  raymond frantz

  Excellent verses ,I will use them in my debates from now on .Not surprisingly the Watchtower Library's comments on these verses are in Watchtower of 1938 which is post-great crowd light,and it would be interesting to see what they said back then
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  Donations aren't coming in from Western Countries: more confirmation

  by Julia Orwell in

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  2. scandals

  in talking to sparky the elder today (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/263862/1/an-elder-called-me-hes-waking-up-and-knew-id-understand-nice-for-him-to-have-a-friend) i found out he did the accounts for our congregation for years.

  he said very rarely did the congregation meet its expenses without some well-off brother chipping in a few grand here and there.

  the elders would also make up the shortfall.

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  raymond frantz

  As previously mentioned, the society is not becoming poorer .All theis operations are financed by the rank and file either money or voluntary work .They are very well off ,there's no money going down EVER ,it is always the other way around...